Impact Pricing - Mark Stiving

Impact Pricing - Mark Stiving

Robin Waite explains how raising prices 5X and losing 40% of clients more than doubled his revenue, and the pricing mindset behind it.

Robin Waite raised his prices 5X and lost 40% of his clients. Most business owners would call that a disaster. Thirty days later his revenue had more than doubled and his support calls had almost disappeared.

In this episode of Impact Pricing, host Mark Stiving (LinkedIn) sits down with business coach Robin Waite to unpack the experiments that turned a burned-out agency owner into a global pricing coach. They cover the price rise that changed everything, why value beats time in every negotiation, how to productise a service, and a one-page exercise that tells you what you actually need to charge. Mark pushes back hard on value-based pricing throughout, which makes this a debate rather than a lecture.

This article breaks down their conversation into practical steps for coaches, consultants, and freelancers who want to stop selling hours and start charging for results.

What We Discussed on the Impact Pricing Podcast

  1. Raise prices with conviction: Robin lifted a £10 hosting package to £50 and, despite losing 40% of clients, grew hosting revenue by two and a half times within 30 days.
  2. Fewer clients can mean more profit: the clients who left were the ones who never valued the service, and support calls fell by over 80% once they were gone.
  3. Stack value alongside any price rise: Robin added consulting time and a stronger uptime guarantee so the increase came with more, not just a bigger number.
  4. Sell outcomes, not hours: become a master at working out the return on investment a client gets, then price against that result rather than your time.
  5. Stop being an order taker: shift from taking orders at the counter to designing the best experience the client has ever bought.
  6. Productise your service: Robin mapped his logo process into clear steps and turned a slow, frustrating project into a fixed one-day branding workshop.
  7. The same offer can carry very different prices: one branding workshop sold for £1,800, the next for £18,000, purely on how the value was framed.
  8. Price objections are usually a money story: an objection often reflects the buyer's relationship with money, not a flaw in your offer.
  9. AI will not save bad pricing: those who charge by the hour will simply do more work in less time unless they change how they sell.
  10. Start with a one-page plan: divide your revenue goal by a realistic client count to find the price you actually need to charge.

The £10 Experiment That Changed Everything

Robin started a marketing agency in 2004 as a naive 20-something who, in his own words, thought he knew it all. The team copied what every other agency did and sold websites and branding projects. Four years in, he found himself scratching his head: they had worked hard, so where was all the money?

Then the financial crisis of 2007 and 2008 hit small businesses in the UK hard. Around 20 to 25 local agencies in Robin's town were driving their hosting and care plan fees down, convinced that cutting prices was the way to survive. Robin disagreed. He had several stand-up arguments with his business partner, who eventually agreed to a 10% rise, but not until January, because they only adjusted prices once a year. So Robin went behind his back and pushed their basic hosting package from £10 a month to £50 a month.

His partner was furious, especially when 40% of clients left. Then the numbers landed. Thirty days later, hosting revenue had grown by two and a half times on 40% fewer clients. The unexpected bonus was that support calls dropped by over 80%, because the clients who walked were the ones who had never valued the service even at £10 a month.

The win was not just the higher number. Robin phoned clients, explained the rationale, and used the moment to stack more value: he added consulting time and improved the uptime guarantee so permitted downtime fell from around an hour a month to roughly six minutes. Several clients told him they had always felt £10 was too good to be true. His takeaway was simple; he should have done it years earlier.

From Burnout to Pricing Coach

By 2016 Robin had run the agency for 12 years and bought out his partner, but success had a cost. With his second daughter about to arrive, the business was overrun with projects, the team was stretched, and the work had become constant firefighting, with all-nighters and weekend call-outs.

One day, out cycling with friends, Robin hit a wall. Overwhelmed by the workload he had built for himself, he walked into the office the following Monday and told the team he was closing the agency. Within a week, word spread and a buyer made him an offer for the client base and a couple of productised design packages he had created, which sold at a far higher day rate than his competitors charged.

The turning point came at networking events. Asked what he did, Robin would answer "nothing", which only made people curious. They asked to pick his brains about growing and selling a business, and bribed him with coffee and cake. It turned out he was good at it, and almost every conversation came back to pricing and how people structured their offers. He launched the business in 2017, and pricing has been a core pillar of his coaching ever since.

Why Value Beats Time Every Time

For Robin, the whole game is how you articulate value. When someone asks the price, it feels easy to sell time at, say, 50 bucks an hour, because it is a small number and both sides can picture it. The harder, more profitable skill is to become a master at working out the return on investment a client will get from working with you. If you cannot get to the number a client actually wants to reach, Robin argues, you probably should not be selling to them at all.

He frames it as the difference between an order taker and an experience. Anyone can stand at the counter and hand over a latte. The opportunity is to build the best experience a customer has ever had when they buy from you, so the conversation moves from "here is your coffee" to something they genuinely value.

The maths makes the point. Imagine consulting for a business turning over $10 million a year, where your work adds 10% to the top line and most of that falls to profit. Does it really matter whether the work takes a day or 100 days if you charge $100,000 for a $1 million uplift? The value proposition flips entirely, from what you can do to what you can do for the client's business. Mark pushes back that competitors will undercut that price, and Robin's answer is a money-back guarantee: the confidence to say that if the result does not land, the client does not pay. Most consultants will not offer that, he says, because their own neediness makes the sale about them rather than the client.

The Productised Service and Escaping Design Agency Ping Pong

Robin's book, Fearless Pricing, gathers his thinking on productising services, much of it drawn from his agency days. Inspired by John Warrillow's book Built to Sell, he set out to fix what he calls design agency ping pong: the endless back and forth of proposals, revisions, and "can you smush these together" that frustrated designers and clients alike, while only the design work itself was billed.

He mapped his logo process into seven steps, which cut delivery from two to three months down to four to six weeks, but it was still ping pong. Then a client needed a logo fast, and Robin blurted out a fixed price of £1,800 for a one-day branding workshop, more than three times his effective hourly rate. The client paid in full, in advance, before leaving the office. Robin went on to deliver around 40 of these in the following year.

The bigger lesson came soon after. A mentor asked Robin to run a workshop for a software client in York, at the far end of the country, and Robin declined for £1,800. Five minutes later the mentor called back: he had booked the same job for £18,000, and Robin happily paid him a 20% commission for negotiating it. The same work, framed and packaged differently, carried a wildly different price. The book pairs this productising work with the softer side of pricing: understanding your money story, and treating a price objection as the buyer's money story rather than a flaw in your offer.

Will AI Kill Hourly Billing?

Mark suspects AI will finally end hourly billing, because work that once took ten hours can now take one. Robin is less sure. Most service businesses, from freelancers to therapists to cleaners, still sell little blocks of time because it is easy. His view is that many will keep charging by the hour and simply do ten times the work, rather than changing how they sell.

He also thinks the shift is earlier than the hype suggests, citing AI adoption in the small business community at around 0.4%. He compares the AI era to the industrial revolution: a long arc, and we are perhaps two years and a tenth of the way into it. Used well, AI is a tool that lets experts do better work faster, and Robin sees his own role as using that efficiency to stack more value for clients.

His own example is RobBot, built on eight years of recorded and transcribed coaching calls. A client can ask how to price a graphic design package, and the tool finds the relevant recording, jumps to the timestamp, and delivers that piece of coaching on demand at three in the morning if needed. The alternative is showing up to the Wednesday call to talk to the real Rob.

The One-Page Business Plan Every Pricing Decision Needs

Robin's single best piece of advice is to remember that the goal of a business is not to enroll every client; it is to build a profitable and sustainable business. Too many owners chase clients without ever working out their capacity, which is where a simple pricing strategy on one page helps.

The exercise runs in four questions. Say a coach wants to earn $100,000 a year and thinks they will charge $1,000 per client. Divide the big number by the small one, and they need 100 clients, which is far too many to attract and serve well. So the fourth question is the real one: how many clients would you actually like to work with? If the honest answer is 20, then $100,000 divided by 20 gives a price of $5,000. The work then becomes figuring out how to stack enough value into that $5,000 to deliver a remarkable outcome. As Mark summarised it, price times quantity equals revenue; most people simply never do the sum.

A 90-Day Blueprint for Pricing With Confidence

Days 1 to 30 - Know your numbers: Set a clear revenue goal for the next 12 months and decide how many clients you can realistically serve well. Divide the goal by that client count to find the price you genuinely need to charge, and sit with the gap between that number and what you charge today.

Days 31 to 60 - Productise and stack value: Map your delivery into clear steps and shape it into a fixed package rather than an hourly rate. Then stack value into that package, with stronger guarantees, added support, or a better experience, so the price is easy to justify.

Days 61 to 90 - Sell the outcome: Practise articulating the return on investment a client gets, in their numbers, not yours. Treat objections as money stories rather than rejections, and where you are confident in the result, consider a guarantee that moves the risk off the client.

Common Objections and How to Handle Them

"Won't I lose clients if I raise my prices?" Almost certainly some, and that is the point. The clients who leave over a fair increase are usually the ones who never valued the work, carried the highest expectations, and generated the most support. Losing them frees up capacity for better-fit clients.

"Who would ever pay $5,000 for what I do?" The question is not whether the number sounds big, but whether you can stack enough value into the offer to deliver a remarkable outcome. Price against the result the client wants, and $5,000 becomes a sensible investment rather than a cost.

"My competitors are cheaper, so I have to match them." Competing on price is a race nobody profitable wins. Robin's answer is to compete on confidence and outcome instead, to the point of guaranteeing the result, which is something most competitors will never do.

Conclusion

Robin's story is a clean argument against selling time. A single price decision turned 40% fewer clients into more than double the revenue, and the years since have refined that instinct into a repeatable approach built on value, productised offers, and honest capacity planning.

The thread running through it is confidence. When you know your numbers, package your expertise, and price against the outcome a client wants, you can charge more, serve fewer people, and build a business that leaves room for the rest of your life. That is the shift good business coaching is designed to create.

About Impact Pricing with Mark Stiving

Mark Stiving hosts Impact Pricing, a podcast about pricing, value, and how buyers decide what they are willing to pay. With a PhD from U.C. Berkeley and more than 25 years of pricing experience, Mark helps companies understand and shape willingness to pay, and the show is built for anyone who wants to capture more of the value they create.

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